So you want to be a Tank...

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  1. JKyle37

    JKyle37 Tenacious Gamer WoW: Classic Heroic Gamer

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    Hello Tenacious!

    This post aims to provide a clear outline of expectations, guidelines, and some hopefully helpful suggestions to our Raid Tanking roster. A quick note, these are ALL SUGGESTIONS. Tenacious does not have hard requirements and we will not be gatekeeping if you don't follow every point. That said, in the end, we want to kill bosses and if we have to choose between a teammate who is optimised vs one who is not, we will make the choice that best progresses the guild.


    The First change is we are adjusting the spec declaration for tank warriors from “Prot” to “MT or OT” This will align better with our loot priority system, as well as correct a misnomer that all tanks have to be prot! You can declare OT as an Enh Shaman or Bear Druid though the bulk of this post is geared towards Warriors.

    Secondly, if you are a druid and reading this post, please reach out to myself or Moxei and we will provide you with the appropriate literature. We love bears, would love to have one some day.


    I’m thinking of Tanking! What should I do?

    That’s awesome! Hopefully this guide covers most of your questions, but the main things are getting your talents and your gear in order, Learning about threat(Here), tanking rotations and flight mechanics is also a must!


    Roster

    Right now we have two Main Tanks(MT). Grabendash (JKyle) and Surgemonkey. We are not putting a hard cap on our roster of Off Tanks (OT) because attendance can very. Molten core can require as many as 5 tanks, and we will be looking at seperate raid teams when the 20 man raids come out. The bottom line: The best way to get tank gear from raids is to show up and declare as OT.


    Spec

    https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/-05050005505010051-502501105

    This is an example of the spec we would like our Off tank warriors to use. Deep prot is a great spec IF you are going to be using a shield the vast majority of boss fights. For most off tanks, especially come Phase 3, OTs will be DPSing for a good portion of the boss fights. This will both give you a viable tanking spec while also increasing overall raid damage. This build gives up very little in terms of raw survivability, which can be more than made up for by wearing full mitigation on fights where threat is not an issue. If you prefer to use 2H weapons when DPSing, simply move the 5 points from Imp. Dual Wield into Imp. Execute/Imp. Cleave


    Gear

    Now this is where it gets tricky. The way classic works, tanks need to have a balance of Mitigation gear and Threat gear that fluctuates as the raid phase progresses. Tanks have a very specific and clearly defined BIS list that we use when building gear priority. Found Here. There are lists for both mitigation and threat so any gear you see from either list be sure to roll on! Listen to the Raid Heal Leader for when to swap into mitigation/threat gear

    Some key gear pieces that we would like tanks to have that do take some effort to get

    • Hit Cap
      • For Orcs, 6% everyone else 9% Whatever gear you have, nothing is more important than getting hit capped first. There are ways to optimize it but in the end, sometimes things don't drop. Be sure to always save gear with hit on it so you can move them around when you get other upgrades
    • Lionheart Helm
      • This is a pain to get but so very worth it! It will last you through several phases of content. There are several crafters on our server and most of them charge 0-100g to craft it
    • Savage Gladiator Chain (SGC)
      • This is a heck of a grind, but the good news is it’s not bad gold per hour while you’re doing it. The trick is to make sure you’re the only warrior who needs it in your group! This can also be farmed concurrently with HoJ
    • Hand of Justice
      • This is another rng gated drop, but not nearly as bad as SGC thankfully. This trinket will also last you quite a while
    • Draconian Deflector/The Immovable Object
      • DD from UBRS and Object from AV rep. Both are good shields, so it’s preference on what you’d rather grind. That said AV rep has many good items!
    • Weapons
      • Annihilator-The guild will help you out with building these, just let us know you’re working on one! Great tank axe for warriors, and the debuff is super valuable for the raid.

      • Frostbite Axe-Requires Revered with AV but a great axe for Orc tanks

      • Cho’Rush’s Blade-From the mage at the end of DMN. Be sure to let you group know you need to kill him!

      • Mirah’s Song-Standard starting tanking sword from Scholo questline, great because it works in the off hand as well

      • Nightfall-While not a tanking weapon per sae, the OTs will be responsible for stacking and maintaining the debuff it provides on fights they are not actively tanking.
    Rotation

    This section i’m going to be a bit more direct. There is a right and a wrong way to push your buttons. We aren’t Mages, please push your buttons correctly.

    • Open-Boodrage>Bloodthirst/Shield Bash(if no/low rage auto>Sunder) Taunt ONLY if someone else pulled the mob

    • Revenge when up

    • BT/SB when up

    • Sunder to 5/maintain

    • HS to dump rage

    • Shield block to trigger Revenge when BT/SB is on CD

    • Taunt when Zid pulls aggro
    As far as cooldowns, recklessness if by far your most valuable one. It’s a good way to make sure you keep aggro, as well as a good dps boost. At this point our healer corps are strong enough that shield wall is seldom if ever needed. When you use Last stand be sure to announce it to your healer so they know to expect a drop in hp



    Thank you for your efforts! I will remind everyone to never hesitate to reach out to an officer if you need a hand (of justice!) with anything listed above. The raid Kills or Wipes with it’s tanks so we are always happy to help!
     
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    We saving 2 talent points for phase 4? You can max out toughness with this build. Just put the 2 unallocated points in toughness. I am willing to try this once I get a new weapon. You are also missing 5 points in parry from Arms and Anger Management. Some other stuff too. The reduced CD on taunt, Concussive blow. Many great talents for 5 man dungeoneering.
     
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    Listen her Gulu! You spec how Grab tells you to spec and you don't ask questions!

    Also someone check Grabs talent tree, we might have found the threat issue!
     
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    JKyle37 Tenacious Gamer WoW: Classic Heroic Gamer

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    Fixed! :joy:
     
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    Something else to consider. I think we're planning on having OTs running nightfall whenever possible. And considering when tanking they likely will not be in a position that they need to DW due to super threat sensitive fights being primarily handled by grab and surge, that means i think they'll be primarily 2H'ing or 1h + shield, so the option of dropping the improved dual wielding might be more appealing.
     
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    Yep! That's mentioned in the spec section.
     
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    good feedback Gulub! There are certainly a few of those utility talents that are dropped in favor of a setup that is more geared towards the specific Tanking roles that we're likely to see in raids. For example one new mechanic we'll see in BWL is that there are untauntable bosses that drop threat, so it's absolutely essential to have a OT be second on the threat list. This is much easier to achieve with this type of build because they rely more on dps to generate threat, and not their defensive reactive abilities (revenge for example). Ideally with grab and surge we can cover those things, but if we are missing either of them and don't have anyone else that can step into that role we could quickly run into an issue where we get roadblocked. This is just to give an idea of the things I'm thinking about going into BWL and part of the reasons to propose this idea to our OTs
     
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